Review Submitted By: Caius
Author Status: Player and staff member
Started on The Gathering...: 2003
Submission Date: Oct 29, 2007
TMC Listing: The Gathering...
The following review is the opinion of the review's author [Caius]
and in no way represents the opinions of this website or its staff.
I have played on the gathering for two and a half years. I was also
on the immortal staff and one of two active newbie helpers. Needless
to say, I know TG in and out. I had many disagreements with the owner
and that led to my resignation of the imm staff. However, I remained a
player. That was until the owner began to sabotage all of my RP’s by
using her immortal character she began to threaten killing off my
mortal for no other reason than the character being evil. Yes,
that was the only reason I played a truly evil thief.
The immortal staff is utterly incompetent with dealing with people.
In one instance, I personally witnessed the law council imm’s (Andora
and Aerius) initiate arguments to justify banning mortals they did not
like, such as characters like Tykune, Anastasia, Rikuzo, Arisa, and
Lavina. Yes, I personally witnessed the law immortals sabotage mortals
for personal reasons and enjoyment.
I personally was on the roleplay council until I saw the immortals
Seir and Sheylynn show favoritism and grant overpowered anime styled
powers to mortals that they RPed with. I can tell you from firsthand
experience that if your mortal is not a demi god then expect to not
live long with characters. Just ask anyone, it’s common knowledge to
the TG veterans. Combine the RP and LAW council’s consistent
inconsistencies with an owner that is more concerned with having cyber
sex than running a mud and you have a recipe for failure. This is
proved by typing score Kedanna and seeing all of her wives listed.
But I will say this TG has a lot of players with value and thought;
Nighkali, Trellan, Halger, Lexi, Seir, and Asha just to name a few
that I enjoyed RPing with. Those are your core RP people that you can
RP anything with and watch it develop. These people will help you with
anything and give you RP you’ll enjoy.
Oh, my last bit of advice is for you to not talk on the OOC channel.
If you say anything that others disagree with you can expect to be
nochanned and possibly banned. This is especially true if you believe
in God and/or a republican. I could go on and on but I’ll end this
way. I left TG after two and a half years of working hard and
consistently for the better of TG and I tell you now to turn away from
this MUD because it has lost it’s way because of poor leadership and
less than par staff. If you do log in, listen to the pbase and stay as
far away from the immortals as you can. Oh, and they will be watching
everything you do thanks to the snoop command, being whoinvis, plogs,
and goto while wizinvis.
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Comment Submitted By: Trellan
Author Status: Player and staff member
Started on The Gathering...: June, 2005
Submission Date: Nov 2, 2007
(The following review comment is the opinion of the comment's author
[Trellan] and in no way represents the opinions of this website
or its staff).
Bad reviews that go unexplained, or at the very least unanswered tend
to show agreement by anyone that reads them, so I thought I would
respond to some of the things said in this review. I'll start with
the last paragraph and work my way up.
We do have rules for our OOC channel, as does any mud, and if you
break those rules on TG, or any other mud, there are always
consequences. We do well with warning people usually several times to
change the subject or take it to another channel or private tells, but
in the end if you fail to listen, then yes, you will be nochanned
and/or jailed, possibly banned if your conversation was directly
disrespectful of staff and you have a history of that. Next, he says
that he worked for the betterment of TG, though I can't for the life
of me name a single thing he did staffwise. He did much more for TG as
a player, but then, since he considers the staff sub-par, I suppose he
was including himself and his wife who was also on our staff. However,
to contradict himself in saying to stay away from the immortals, two
of the six people he named in his list of excellence from the previous
paragraph were immortals, including myself.
Will you be constantly watched during whatever you do with the
commands he listed? Possibly, as much as you are on any other mud.
Moreso if you are in public and known for harrassment of others. I
believe in this aspect of his review Caius is misled in the reality of
things. We have rules for the immortals about when it is or isn't
appropriate to spy on players, as all muds do, but the reason I say he
may be biased is because his wife broke most of these rules and
checked player logs and snooped people quite often without regard for
privacy and he saw her doing so and possibly did so himself, so
assumed all the other immortals did so as well. I keep track
constantly of where everyone is in the mud, possibly obsessively so
and I can say without doubt that I've very rarely if ever seen
immortals sitting in rooms spying on mortals while hidden unless there
were some valid reason for the immortal to watch them.
Next I'll address the accusations of favoritism. Does it happen?
Probably. Does it happen on other muds? Probably. I don't think it's
purposeful though, and I don't think it's out of hand at all.
Perhaps the reason stronger things are granted to certain people is
because the immortals know those people and have gotten to know them
through rp and trust them not to abuse such powers. If they aren't
sure and don't trust you to know whether you'll abuse them or not,
it might be denied. This isn't exactly favoritism, it's limited
knowledge and lack of trust causing some to be turned down while
others are accepted, though the denials usually are more in the form
of asking for more detail, or for stronger negative effects to balance
the good and other slight adjustments.
Now about the utterly unfair and incompetent law staff. I've never
witnessed any of the so called instigating that he says took place,
only one of the people that he listed is still banned, and any banning
at all requires the deliberation of more than just the law council.
Bans occur, but not just willy nilly and not because a person just
isn't liked. Unless there's a valid reason, people aren't booted
just for fun. And for the record, Caius and his wife were in on some
of the votes for the bans he listed, and they voted yes to banning in
at least three of them.
In conclusion, I would like to state that at no time during his play
on TG did Caius ever approach me, to bring up any of these
accusations, nor did he ever attempt to correct them, though since
most of them are based in a skewed and bitter point of view and
aren't really as bad as he saw them I can understand how he might
have felt too overwhelmed to do so, or perhaps he just didn't care
enough.
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Comment Submitted By: Caius
Author Status: Player and staff member
Started on The Gathering...: 2003
Submission Date: Dec 12, 2007
(The following review comment is the opinion of the comment's author
[Caius] and in no way represents the opinions of this website
or its staff).
After reading Trellan's response and thinking on it, I do owe the
imm staff an apology. The immortals are people and though I've had my
share of disagreements and agreements with them I judged them under my
bias of my wife. My wife a former immortal did indeed abuse the
commands she was given and I hated the fact she was on staff. My
complaint is the way she was removed from staff, after years of
devotion she should have been treated with more professionalism in my
opinion.
Hindsight is just that however and I again appologize for my blunt
nature of disrespecting the staff which does work very hard to do what
is right. Also for the record my wife has never been on staff with its
rival MUDD and I'll make sure she never is on any staff from here on
out.
As far as TG goes I'll say this; once you play TG you're hooked, it's
easy to play and catch on to quickly. It is what you make of it. It's
unfortunate things turned out as they did, which greatly is my fault
for being biased to my wife and her enjoyment. I have had good times
with TG and I know on several occasions while on staff the other
members stood beside me in hard choices. The staff as a whole works
hard and works for the betterment of everyone. Where as I doubt myself
or my wife will ever play another MUDD, I'll recommend TG to anyone
that may still enjoy text games. TG is a wonderful game despite the
growing pains they experience at times.
So I appologize again to the staff and even though I've parted ways
with them I feel they deserve a good review. Give TG a try and make it
into something you enjoy and can continue to enjoy.
Thank you Trellan for your comments.
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Comment Submitted By: Annonymous
Author Status: Player
Started on The Gathering...: Mid 2006
Submission Date: Dec 24, 2007
(The following review comment is the opinion of the comment's author
[Annonymous] and in no way represents the opinions of this website
or its staff).
As a response to the review, I can agree with most of it.
The immortals(Purposely or not) have favoritism. Like it or not, it's
there. The wizinvis command -is- abused, since Immortals pull
information out of the air like someone told them.
If you disagree with a 'LAW' immortal, expect a long, drawn out
argument about nothing resulting in a warning, jail time, or a ban,
temporary or permanent. The immortals DO, in fact, plot against most
mortals, making them either quit from frustration or threaten them
with a ban.
If you ask for help from the Staff(Admins mostly), you most likely
will be ignored if you havent done them an RP 'favor'. At the risk of
having this comment removed, I'll spare the details.
Now, onto the good comment. Yes, the long roleplays are great(When
you don't look at the large amount of SRPing), and last quite a long
time. I admit, the war RP was detailed, and opened up spaces for
lower leveled roleplayers, but the fact everyone and their alts could
be there made it difficult to decide turns.
The darkling storyline was... Confusing to say the least, many
thinking they were the center of it all, or supposed savior. Of
course, I had quit from annoyance before it had finished, and didnt
find out what had happened.
The maps were well made, except a few bland and unoriginal rooms here
and there. The roleplay starts as oon as you finish your training,
and hopefully you had read the rules and learned the commands before
you get lectured by over half the playerbase and/or otell-happy Staff
members.
But what am I saying, the Immortals are always right, eh?
-Annonymous
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Comment Submitted By: Kedanna
Author Status: Staff member
Started on The Gathering...: Day 1
Submission Date: Apr 6, 2009
(The following review comment is the opinion of the comment's author
[Kedanna] and in no way represents the opinions of this website
or its staff).
Anonymous is always right, I mean they're brave enough to give
their real name and face up for that they said! If you can trust
someone it has to be Anonymous. *lol*
Caius and his wife Cendria are both greatly missed and we wish them
the best in whatever they're doing now.
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