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Looking for a mud where the focus is PK.

Not mkilling for hours.
Not getting eq/questing to be competitive.

Pk.

Skill-relative based pk is nice, but not mandatory.

Anyone?

(Comment added by ryoshi on Tue Mar 3 5:45:42 2009)

Not to be misunderstood, The pk focus mud I am looking for CAN have mobs to kill. If it takes a FEW hours to prepare for pk, That is fine. 8 hours? Fine. Anything more is boredom/overkill.

godwars2.org:3000

avpmud.com:4000

Drizzt1216 wrote:
godwars2.org:3000

Did you even read his post?

Not mkilling for hours.
Not getting eq/questing to be competitive.

Mkilling for hours and getting eq to be competitive sounds like God Wars 2 to me.

GodWars II will get him on an even footing with the other
players FAR, FAR, faster than on most MUDs, pkill MUDs
included. Most of what determines if you are competitive on
GodWars II is the player, NOT the character. If you think
being competitive on GodWars II requires lots of mkilling then
my response is the only reason you aren't able to play there
competitively earlier is due to your own flaws.

Drizzt1216 wrote:
GodWars II will get him on an even footing with the other
players FAR, FAR, faster than on most MUDs, pkill MUDs
included. Most of what determines if you are competitive on
GodWars II is the player, NOT the character. If you think
being competitive on GodWars II requires lots of mkilling then
my response is the only reason you aren't able to play there
competitively earlier is due to your own flaws.

So it doesn't require hours of mobkilling?

So it doesn't require hours of
mobkilling?

Never did when I played, no. I was able to start pkilling
within 20-30 minutes.

How many PK muds have you played? Did you just see "PK" in the thread title and jump at the chance to dick ride KaVir and plug God Wars 2?

Arctic MUD. Where the good die young. And often.

mud.arctic.org 2700


You don't like 'em, you kill 'em; the details are up to you. Some of our pkillers prefer to rely on shiny eq or deep strategies, the others prefer to use 'hit and run' or 'ambush' techniques.

In Arctic, a thief with a dagger bought in the nearest shop or a mage with only guild spells may be quite deadly.

Even a completely naked char without any spells may pkill a strong and well prepared opponent. Is there a big and ill-tempered dragon nearby that don't like unexpected visitors? Lure your opponent to the location and see them defeated by the nasty beast!

(Comment added by nasredin on Mon Mar 2 3:47:44 2009)

On top of regular pkill, we occasionally have special pkill events, e.g. a big pkill tournament. You may see the log of the last tournament final fight on our PvP site:

http://arctic.elay.org/index.php?option=viewlog&logid=2343

Oh, btw, did I say that we have a special site dedicated entirely to PvP?

(Comment added by nasredin on Mon Mar 2 4:11:48 2009)


Nasredin

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> Mkilling for hours and getting eq to be competitive sounds
> like God Wars 2 to me.

It's possible to be competitive in God Wars II without any equipment.

However the emphasis is on combat in general, not specifically PK.

Having said that, if all you want to do is PK, quite a few players enjoy having "avatar fights" (that is, fighting in an arena with newly created characters, so that they're all on pretty much equal footing).

Progression purely through PK, while technically possible, isn't really feasible though.


(Comment added by KaVir on Mon Mar 2 6:02:19 2009)

Before someone else brings this up: You also need to kill at least 1 mob before you can join a class (or 3 mobs if you do it without help, or 4 to class as a dragon). So arguably, progression without mob killing isn't really possible - you cannot create a maxed-out character without killing at least 1 mob (although you could summon a creature to kill that 1 mob for you, you'd still be indirectly killing it).

Assault meets your criteria. slayn.net 6500

I haven't played it in quite a while, but at one point of time it only took about an hour to build a base and head out with an ak-47 and a stack of C4.

Don't think that Mud survived the changes at slayn.net...

How many PK muds have you played? Did
you just see "PK" in the thread title and jump at the chance
to dick ride KaVir and plug God Wars 2?

Several. Did you just see me post and decide to jump at the
chance of starting a flamewar? You've posted no names of games
you're suggesting so frankly shut the *CENSORED* up.

Did you just see "PK" in the thread title and jump at the chance to dick ride KaVir and plug God Wars 2?

Ohhh wow...Look at how 'edgy' you are.

What I find amusing is that Drizzt actually posted something in good faith and trying to be helpful, and its THAT which gets him flamed :p

Go figure :)

*grins at HD*

Poor Drizzt...no good deed goes unflamed.

How is him misleading people a good deed?

How did he mislead anyone?

Godwars 2 was a perfectly reasonable suggestion based on what the OP asked for. It might not fit exactly, but I've seen far less accurate suggestions from numerous posts from numerous posters when someone has asked for suggestions for a MUD fitting a certain criteria. And, there have been numerous other suggestions as well.

I think the OP is probably a big boy and can handle having several things suggested and checking them out to make his own decisions based on what he has seen.

You certainly added nothing of value to the thread, and while I'm often on board with people jumping on someone for false advertising, I don't feel this has been the case in this instance. If the OP wants a PK MUD, and Drizzt feels Godwars 2 is a good suggestion (and has nothing to gain from suggesting it himself), then I see no harm in him being allowed to suggest it.

There may be other people reading this thread that are looking for something similar to what the thread starter is asking for, and don't want to be bogged down by retarded suggestions like GWII.

The best is how both KaVir and Drizzt have the site "mudquest.org" in their signatures, and on that site GWII is all over the place.

I also like how KaVir came in here and said "the emphasis is on combat in general, not specifically PK," yet on the mudquest.org site it lists GWII's focus as "PK and GoP (goal-oriented play)."

BTW - GWII is a great MUD but not for people looking for what the thread starter is asking for.

Let the flames be ended here. GW-II is too complexed for me to play. I could not get past the green-sash guy, nor could I figure out why I was typing six commands to get one damage line. Confusing helpfiles. Maybe for the consistant pbase it works, but not me. The other two muds were questionable. Hard to have a 'pk' focus without the 'P'. Any other places?

(Comment added by ryoshi on Tue Mar 3 2:06:09 2009)

Oh yeah, I'm equally confused by KaVir. (as much as his helpfiles) "Progression purely through PK, while technically possible, isn't really feasible though."

Is it possible? Is it not possible?

Clarification: Pk focus and not possible to progress purely/primarily through pk is oxymoronic. While your suggestion of a mud is helpful, the answer would be better given once you understand the inquiry. The request being a PK focus. Not a 'possible' or 'potential' Pk focus.

> The best is how both KaVir and Drizzt have the site
> "mudquest.org" in their signatures, and on that site GWII
> is all over the place.

Only if by "all over the place" you mean "1 of the 23 listed muds". It's a mud listing site, you'll see it in other people's sigs as well.

> I also like how KaVir came in here and said "the emphasis
> is on combat in general, not specifically PK," yet on the
> mudquest.org site it lists GWII's focus as "PK and GoP
> (goal-oriented play)."

Poorly phrased on my part, perhaps, but not incorrect. The focus is on challenging fights, but not only against players - there are also a range of NPC opponents you're expected to fight. Thus if you're only interested in the PK side, you're missing out on a large part of the game. Equally, if you don't like PK, you're probably not going to enjoy it. When I list the focus as "PK and GoP", I don't mean you can choose one or the other.

I didn't suggest my mud, and wouldn't do so, for the reasons I gave earlier (i.e., the focus isn't exclusively on PK). I only really responded to correct your statements, in particular the part about needing equipment to be competitive.

Scandum's suggestion about Assault would probably be a better fit. Although the game may have vanished (?), I believe they released their source code, so there may be other derivatives around.

> GW-II is too complexed for me to play.

Fair enough, it's a niche game and doesn't appeal to everyone.

> Oh yeah, I'm equally confused by KaVir. (as much as his
> helpfiles) "Progression purely through PK, while technically
> possible, isn't really feasible though."
>
> Is it possible? Is it not possible?

Yes, I already said that it's possible (if you overlook the minimum 1-4 mobs you need to kill in order to class). However the playerbase isn't large enough for it to be feasible - it would be a very slow way to advance. If there were several hundred players online then things would be different.

> Clarification: Pk focus and not possible to progress
> purely/primarily through pk is oxymoronic.

To be fair, I stated right from the start that PK isn't the exclusive focus of God Wars II - that the emphasis is on combat in general, and that PK is only one part of that.

However if you're looking for a pure PK mud, where there is no mob killing at all, you're likely to find there's little or no progression at all. Such an environment doesn't lend itself well to character advancement (at least, not the type that makes you stronger).

The best is how both KaVir
and Drizzt have the site "mudquest.org" in their signatures,
and on that site GWII is all over the place.

You caught us. Yo realized of the two scenarios below that
'a' is the factual one. You're pretty sly, I've been able to
trick most people into thinking it was 'b'.

a.) KaVir pays me $500 a month to have mudquest.org in my
signature because it directs people to his MUD.

b.) I disagree morally with MUDs like IRE and prefer to see
the little guy do well. I used to be an auditor on
mudquest.org. I'm also staff on 4 Dimensions, one of the
owners of which is "Molly O'Hara" who is also one of the
administrators on mudquest.org. Due to the combination of
these three things I have numerous reasons for promoting the
site, none of which deal with KaVir or GodWars II.

Even though my game isn't listed on MudQuest, I've linked Mudquest from the FRONT page of my MUD's website. I've had, at times, the MudQuest link in my signature.

That said, what does that have to do with anything?

And one person suggesting one MUD one time that you think doesn't fit in with the qualifications of the OP is hardly "bogging down" the thread with unfit suggestions.

I find it funny that for someone seemingly so concerned with this thread getting "bogged down" you've been the driving force here bogging it down. A simple "I don't think Godwars II is an accurate suggestion, here is what I think you should check out _____" might have sufficed. Instead, all you have done is flamed other people's suggestions without even offering your own and thus, bogged down and massively derailed the thread.

If you actually want to attempt to do something useful or constructive, why don't YOU try suggesting a MUD you think fits the criteria?

That's a shame, it was a fun game to play.