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Teryel

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2018, 5:35 AM »
The proper word is whatever the moderators decide it is. Suspension sounds like you've moved up from kindergarten to jr high. Shall we call a permanent ban an expulsion?
Suspension is the term used in most office environments, law enforcement, and websites where you are banned for a time. Ban is long term, suspension is short term.  I feel it is the proper term for this action, though I'm not a big fan of bans or suspensions except in the most extreme cases.

Except in office environments and law enforcement, you don't get banned, you get fired. Also, I've never seen a website use 'suspension'. Not saying it doesn't happen, I just usually see 'ban' used, for varying durations.

In this case, however, I think putting it in the context of 'cooldown' says to the user "Look, you're not exactly in trouble, but it looks like you need to step back and chill out. Do that, come back, and try again, and we're all cool." Less punitive and more focused on keeping people a part of the community.

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2018, 10:12 AM »
If we were talking about a short ban - i.e., you couldn't access the forum at all - then suspension might work.
But we're talking about an inability to speak, not an inability to access the forums entirely. This means that there is a fair difference between what you'd want to call a suspension, and a ban. They're different actions for different reasons.
Someone who's suspended, in a law-enforcement or office environment, is usually unable to do that job pending investigation or whatever. That's not the case here.

That said, they can call this whatever they want. I like either mute or cooldown, and as stated before, I approve of the notion entirely.

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2018, 11:10 AM »
My bad for bringing up the semantics of the term...

Let's just move away from that before we have pages of people arguing over a damn word.
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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2018, 11:15 AM »
The proper word would be suspension. The time frame can be any amount the Moderators think is correct. 2 hours suspension, 8 hour, 24, 48, 1 week, etc.

The proper word is whatever the moderators decide it is. Suspension sounds like you've moved up from kindergarten to jr high. Shall we call a permanent ban an expulsion?

Obviously the wording matters, because of the associations it gives.
So "TimeOut" brings up the image of a kid throwing a tantrum while "Suspension" gives associations to Junior High school kids playing havoc.

This actually brought me back in time to the first Mud that I ever played, years and years ago.
So allow me to go off topic for a short while, with an anecdote from that time in my mudding career:


I was a total newbie to muds, and a bit older than the average player, (who back then usually was a 15-year old male highschool kid). I fell instantly in love with the genre, and very soon took a lot of place in the game, being a general Troublemaker, manipulating people, being very vocal, and mostly ignoring whatever rules there were, because they just appeared stupid to me. As a result the staff had to use every punishment available against me, alternately muting, freezing and banning me.

The game had three imps, one of whom was female. I pretty soon became very friendly with the first male imp, and I totally loather the second, (female) one. The feeling was very mutual, and she was the one usually banning me. Then the first imp usually lifted the ban, as soon as he got on line.

The third imp I actually respected, because he always stayed calm, and never was provoked, whatever antics I threw.
I remember telling him once: "I resent being treated like an immature teenager".
And I'll never forget his cool answer: "Then don't act like one."

I am not going to claim that I became an exemplary player after that. But at least it made me think a bit longer, before I threw the next tantrum.   :)

So, back to topic:
There seems to be a general consensus that a short muting period might be beneficial to the discussions.

I believe there is also a consensus about the best term for it being "Cool-Off".
So, are we ready to bring this to the next step, which would be to ask Iccy whether it can be implemented?
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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2018, 11:49 AM »
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So, are we ready to bring this to the next step, which would be to ask Iccy whether it can be implemented?

Yes.
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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2018, 6:00 PM »
Ok, update from Icculus... if anyone is familiar with SMF plugins/mods and could help with such a feature, and/or if such a plugin exists out there in the wild somewhere and we could be pointed in such a direction, then we can move forward with such an addition.
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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2018, 2:15 AM »
HK - It looks like the ability to put a "cannot post" ban with an expiration (possibly a 1 day minimum) is already part of SMF 1.1 and SMF 2.0:
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF1.1:Ban_list

I also found a custom mod to display to the banned user when the ban will be lifted:
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=2103

Something else I found that might be applicable deals with setting up warning levels for users.  Users can be assigned warning points when they make posts in violation of the rules (or spirit) of the forums.  Once a user accrues enough warning points, they are added to a watch list for easier moderation.  Further escalation may cause all posts by that user to require approval before being made public, or can even apply a mute that will stay in effect until their points decrease.  There is also an automatic function to reduce user's warning points daily by a certain amount, which may provide the desired cool-down period being discussed.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:Security_and_Moderation#Moderation

Without knowing what version of SMF we are running at TMC, I don't know if either of these apply, but maybe these links will help?

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2018, 2:20 AM »
Without knowing what version of SMF we are running at TMC, I don't know if either of these apply, but maybe these links will help?

Bottom left of the site shows that information:  SMF 2.0.4 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2018, 2:25 AM »
Bottom left of the site shows that information:  SMF 2.0.4 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines

Oddly enough, I'm not seeing that. I see the TMC copyright, but nothing about SMF version.  I even searched the page for the words "SMF", and it doesn't show up.  I'm using the http://www.mudconnect.com/SMF/ url.  Maybe another URL or a mobile version might have a different display that doesn't include the TMC site wrapper?

Thanks for the information about the version, though.  Using 2.x means that many of the items I referenced in my earlier post should be available. Hooray!

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2018, 2:29 AM »
It might depend on what theme we're both using, not sure, but it shows there for me at least, hadn't realized it might not for everyone else.

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2018, 2:30 AM »
Bottom left of the site shows that information:  SMF 2.0.4 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines

Oddly enough, I'm not seeing that. I see the TMC copyright, but nothing about SMF version.  I even searched the page for the words "SMF", and it doesn't show up.  I'm using the http://www.mudconnect.com/SMF/ url.  Maybe another URL or a mobile version might have a different display that doesn't include the TMC site wrapper?

Thanks for the information about the version, though.  Using 2.x means that many of the items I referenced in my earlier post should be available. Hooray!

Bottom of the forum says this:

SMF 2.0.4 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines
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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2018, 2:52 AM »
I believe you.  Honest!

I just checked - I'm using the "Forum or Board Default" theme (the dark one), and it doesn't show.  If I use the TMC theme (the light one), that line appears at the bottom.  So there you go.  The TMC2013 theme (also dark) doesn't show it, but it appears all the other ones (Glacier 2, Back n Black, and CoalBlack) do.  Oversight, perhaps?


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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2018, 2:59 AM »
Ahh, I'm using Coalblack, I thought that was the default as I didn't remember changing it. I guess I did.

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Re: A proposal for a new Moderator tool - Time_out
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2018, 4:18 AM »
So, back to topic:
There seems to be a general consensus that a short muting period might be beneficial to the discussions.

I believe there is also a consensus about the best term for it being "Cool-Off".
So, are we ready to bring this to the next step, which would be to ask Iccy whether it can be implemented?
Hate the cool-off term but that is just me. I also hate the term "cool-down" when it comes to using powers in a game because it sounds so meta-gamish in an rp enforced game.

I hesitate on the usage of a mute for moderators as I think it will be used too often and too quickly and ruin the flow of argument. I already think we are getting to a point of warning too often over minimal issues. For example the wiping of a bunch of posts in one of these threads recently that basically killed the thread. Yes, some of the posts weren't constructive, but it wasn't that bad either.
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